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		<title>By: The Responsibility for Self-Engagement &#171; Bret L. Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Responsibility for Self-Engagement &#171; Bret L. Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how this concept is being applied in organizations.  You can find my articles about those concerns here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Employee Engagement: Off to See the Wizard? &#171; Bret L. Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.bretlsimmons.com/2009-08/engagement-there-is-something-wrong-with-this-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Employee Engagement: Off to See the Wizard? &#171; Bret L. Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bank has been doing an employee engagement program with one of the largest and best known consulting firms on engagement for many years.  The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Service-Profit Chain: There is Something Right With This Picture &#171; Bret L. Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Service-Profit Chain: There is Something Right With This Picture &#171; Bret L. Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote an article entitled Engagement: There is Something Wrong with This Picture.  I looked at a study published in the Journal of Applied Psychology and discussed some of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bret L. Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.bretlsimmons.com/2009-08/engagement-there-is-something-wrong-with-this-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret L. Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven:  Your comment is exceptional. I am a strong advocate of evidence-based management, but I find it difficult to practice sometimes for a number of reasons.

I personally continue to teach the concept of engagement to students in my classes.  But I no longer talk about engagement when I am training for an employer.  There, I stick to satisfaction, comittment, and trust because these have a much stronger empirical legacy. Regardless of what I talk about or what audience I am in front of, I always try to remind them that there is just no simple formula for performance.  

I remain very skeptical about engagement the way it is currently being sold.  There are some powerful gatekeepers in my profession that have a strong financial interest in casting engagement in the most positive terms possible.  It will be VERY hard for anyone to publish a study in a top journal showing that engagement does not lead to performance.  I&#039;ve done two separate studies that show just that, and I don&#039;t think I will ever publish those results.

Thanks for your contribution to this conversation.  I sincerely appreciate your thoughts and time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven:  Your comment is exceptional. I am a strong advocate of evidence-based management, but I find it difficult to practice sometimes for a number of reasons.</p>
<p>I personally continue to teach the concept of engagement to students in my classes.  But I no longer talk about engagement when I am training for an employer.  There, I stick to satisfaction, comittment, and trust because these have a much stronger empirical legacy. Regardless of what I talk about or what audience I am in front of, I always try to remind them that there is just no simple formula for performance.  </p>
<p>I remain very skeptical about engagement the way it is currently being sold.  There are some powerful gatekeepers in my profession that have a strong financial interest in casting engagement in the most positive terms possible.  It will be VERY hard for anyone to publish a study in a top journal showing that engagement does not lead to performance.  I&#8217;ve done two separate studies that show just that, and I don&#8217;t think I will ever publish those results.</p>
<p>Thanks for your contribution to this conversation.  I sincerely appreciate your thoughts and time.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m puzzled by this post.

Let me summarize what I read:

You like the concept of employee engagement. And so do I.

Consultants claim benefits that support what they are trying to sell, which is normal in both your and my experience.

The best peer reviewed scientific study you could find is flawed, which is normal in my experience.

The consultants&#039; claims aren&#039;t supported by the flawed study.

You advise being cautious about engaging consultants in this area.

We don&#039;t have anything to support the concept that both you and I like. But as I interpret what I have read, we don&#039;t have any solid study discouraging us from taking action on the concept.

Should we wait for the arrival of solid empirical evidence that supports the concept before deciding to take action?

What&#039;s the cost of doing nothing about this concept?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m puzzled by this post.</p>
<p>Let me summarize what I read:</p>
<p>You like the concept of employee engagement. And so do I.</p>
<p>Consultants claim benefits that support what they are trying to sell, which is normal in both your and my experience.</p>
<p>The best peer reviewed scientific study you could find is flawed, which is normal in my experience.</p>
<p>The consultants&#8217; claims aren&#8217;t supported by the flawed study.</p>
<p>You advise being cautious about engaging consultants in this area.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have anything to support the concept that both you and I like. But as I interpret what I have read, we don&#8217;t have any solid study discouraging us from taking action on the concept.</p>
<p>Should we wait for the arrival of solid empirical evidence that supports the concept before deciding to take action?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the cost of doing nothing about this concept?</p>
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		<title>By: Bret L. Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.bretlsimmons.com/2009-08/engagement-there-is-something-wrong-with-this-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret L. Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:  Totally concur.  Again, I LOVE the concept, buy it hook line and sinker, but like you I would hate to see it become another fad. The ones I worry most about are employees, that are quite skeptical.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Mary Jo:  Once again an extremely thoughtful post - would expect nothing less from you.  All of what you say is supported by *different* steams of research.  Organizational impatience - interesting concept.  For employees, that unfortunately is probably seen as a lack of caring, which destroys trust, which is not good.  

I appreciate your thoughts and you taking the time to share them. Thanks!  Bret</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:  Totally concur.  Again, I LOVE the concept, buy it hook line and sinker, but like you I would hate to see it become another fad. The ones I worry most about are employees, that are quite skeptical.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts!</p>
<p>Mary Jo:  Once again an extremely thoughtful post &#8211; would expect nothing less from you.  All of what you say is supported by *different* steams of research.  Organizational impatience &#8211; interesting concept.  For employees, that unfortunately is probably seen as a lack of caring, which destroys trust, which is not good.  </p>
<p>I appreciate your thoughts and you taking the time to share them. Thanks!  Bret</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jo Asmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Jo Asmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bret,

I don&#039;t believe for a second that we can &quot;force&quot; engagement, just like we can&#039;t force motivation. But I do believe that there are some simple things leader can do to encourage it. Although I&#039;m not a researcher, my experience, both as an executive and as a consultant and coach, leads me to believe there is are answers to the engagement issue. And they may be simpler than anyone can imagine.

I believe that when employees feel included - i.e., part of a team, asked for their input, have their input acted upon - in a sincere and genuine way - engagement (and sometimes magic) can happen. We make it complex sometimes, when realistically, employees just want to belong - to feel as if their input matters and they make a difference (perhaps Gallup has it right with the Best Friend at Work concept?).

Organizational impatience leads us to give up on these efforts at inclusion. It takes time to build that rapport. And we&#039;re not willing to wait - the shareholders are nipping at our heels! 

Perhaps there is something good that will come out of this recession: some reflection on the simple things that work.  A deep breath, a reminder that relationships are important, and a bit of patience on the part of leaders might go a long way toward encouraging engagement.

Simple? Yes. Hard to do? Yes. Lets look for the simple things and turn over those rocks first. Then find ways to help our leaders prepare to act on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bret,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe for a second that we can &#8220;force&#8221; engagement, just like we can&#8217;t force motivation. But I do believe that there are some simple things leader can do to encourage it. Although I&#8217;m not a researcher, my experience, both as an executive and as a consultant and coach, leads me to believe there is are answers to the engagement issue. And they may be simpler than anyone can imagine.</p>
<p>I believe that when employees feel included &#8211; i.e., part of a team, asked for their input, have their input acted upon &#8211; in a sincere and genuine way &#8211; engagement (and sometimes magic) can happen. We make it complex sometimes, when realistically, employees just want to belong &#8211; to feel as if their input matters and they make a difference (perhaps Gallup has it right with the Best Friend at Work concept?).</p>
<p>Organizational impatience leads us to give up on these efforts at inclusion. It takes time to build that rapport. And we&#8217;re not willing to wait &#8211; the shareholders are nipping at our heels! </p>
<p>Perhaps there is something good that will come out of this recession: some reflection on the simple things that work.  A deep breath, a reminder that relationships are important, and a bit of patience on the part of leaders might go a long way toward encouraging engagement.</p>
<p>Simple? Yes. Hard to do? Yes. Lets look for the simple things and turn over those rocks first. Then find ways to help our leaders prepare to act on them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Zinger</title>
		<link>http://www.bretlsimmons.com/2009-08/engagement-there-is-something-wrong-with-this-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret:

I appreciated your post. I worry about the hype and hyperbole of employee engagement elevating it to something that will crash as a fad rather than a reasonable and somewhat beneficial approach to work, organizations, and results.

I always loved the line: It is good to have an open mind but not so open that your brains fall out.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret:</p>
<p>I appreciated your post. I worry about the hype and hyperbole of employee engagement elevating it to something that will crash as a fad rather than a reasonable and somewhat beneficial approach to work, organizations, and results.</p>
<p>I always loved the line: It is good to have an open mind but not so open that your brains fall out.</p>
<p>David</p>
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